I haven't done much looking into the nitty gritty details myself when it comes to the electrical side of the swap, I just know it's becoming increasingly more prevalent. go the suggested 400E + LH M119 route, which gives you an 80-90% chance of success. Engine Swap Depot. 4 bangers can be quite powerful.. BMW broke the hearts of many fans worldwide with the debut of the E90 generation of their M3 sports car. Simple and cheap power however since I wasnt inclined to do a engine swap I bought a E420. I have plenty of tuning spirit, but some things are best left alone. A solution to fix this is to use the M104 A/C manifold (104 230 04 56 is NLA, aftermarket solution: Four Seasons 55586) and have both hoses custom made. Secure engine to hoist and lift to remove. Yup, that's John's car. Black striped white vacuum line for throttle body, Remove overflow pipe to coolant reservoir, Wiring under both headlights and loom ties, Bolt on driver side securing pipe to chassis, Disconnect supply and return lines on pump, Return behind ignition coil, 17mm and 14mm, Disconnect main engine wiring and set aside, Disconnect auxiliary wiring and set aside, Cruise control servo (8 pin connector under ABS pump), Crankshaft position sensor (front) underneath X92, Disconnect exhaust downpipes from exhaust manifold, Disconnect transmission shifter linkage(s), Suggest removing entirely to avoid bending the rods accidentally, Disconnect transmission slave cylinder fluid line (manuals only). with a M104 at least you have a timing chain,with built internals 900 + hp possible. Bolt starter to the engine before lowering. 1- the M104.980 should be direct one due o the similarity with my M103 2.6 CIS system, but I need to have the ECU, the EZL and the harness. You must log in or register to reply here. The car has been completely rebuilt with upgraded suspension, brakes and drift-spec steering. Im gonna have to work my ass off to be able to do the work on this benzbut it will all be worth it in the end. weren't there like 100 sportline LEs built for the USA and 100 for europe? We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. Mercedes w203 Engine Swap "The Plan" (Pt.1) M271|M104|M111 Ricer Benz 4.27K subscribers Join Subscribe 143 Share 10K views 2 years ago M111 turbo Video link :. The turbocharger system consists of a TB90 90 mm turbocharger, 60 mm wastegate, 50 mm blowoff valve, Turbobandit intake, 90 mm throttle body, and stainless exhaust manifold. Source: Team Lovetap and Team Lovetap FB page. Originally Posted by Kestas. M104.981ish 3.0L Engine Block Moar. Of course what excites us the most is the Mercedes 3.2 L M104 (M104.99x) inline-six sitting under the hood. i'll trade you my 87 parts car (engine and trans and body in tact) and a 5spd +shifter assy for you to tear apart and modify for your 2.6 5-spd see everyone wins!! You are using an out of date browser. this is why my mercedes is a stock classic show car and my NA volvo 850 GLT is going to me my tuned performance car. . All new control harnesses would need to be fabricated for all of the car's systems and the battery and cables run to the trunk. In addition, the engine carrier and mounting setup I believe is different between the V-8 and inline-six models? What did you need to do to convert the coils from the three coils and three wires to six individual invention coils on the m104 engine? Nissan 350Z Gets Turbo Mercedes M104 By Michael Van Runkle Published Jun 7, 2020 The Merc powered 350Z pumps out an impressive 510 horsepower and 464 lb-ft of torque, which is much more than the stock Nissan mill. Mercedes-Benz Sedan / Coupe / Wagon Forums. i'd ditch the 18's and go with 16 or 17's you really don't want to tear apart a good working 2.6 5-spd because they are getting harder and harder to come by. Using the original 190E A/C manifold hoses not work entirely either. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. I'm sure you can find a high mileage 87 TD car and just rebuild the engine and possibly even do a trans swap. the m103 to m104 is a pretty common swap but the power gain is about 60hp or so. As @a777fan said, there are multiple discussions of these types of engine swaps on the forum. Is removal and shorter belt fitting possible? I remember seeing an AMG 190E on ebay, fuly decked out by AMG and Renntech a while back. It rides on a set of Cosmis Racing XT206R wheels with 189.5-inch in front and 1811-inch in back. Convert the E320 into a coupe, THEN do the engine swap. I generaly like motors bigger than4cylunless they are turbo. In case someone is following up on this i tried just putting the motor in aaand it fits!!! Probably $15k min, but you'd have a torque monster that'd be just as interesting (or more) than a V8 S124. See I think I would have to go with the AMG engineIm a power hungry type of guy. Doing the upgrades on an E420 is plug+play, and easily done if you have the ability to handle an engine swap. Mercedes M104 make a good tuning project and with carefully chosen sports modifications like remapping, turbo upgrades and camshafts you will substantially increase your driving opportunities. Im no where near having all of the funds to do thisproject withwere probably looking at like a year or two down the road. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Power will be greater with an LS swap. So my question and a big debate in my mind is how practical it is for a swap of M119 from a 1992 500 SL. Mrten competes in a special 2003 Mercedes CLK we first covered in 2015. Of course what excites us the most is the Mercedes 3.2 L M104 (M104.99x) inline-six sitting under the hood. And still, the purists cried, "Heresy!" When you find one, buy it. The M104 A/C manifold's low pressure hose cannot reach the connection point at the edge of the fender on a 190E chassis. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. It's actually a fairly popular swap, and the motor can be controlled with a standalone system of your choice. via Oppositelock. Navigation Menu. Looks like im gonna be spending a lot of money on this projecthehe. Is there a worthy replacement for the 190E 2.6. The suspension features factory Mercedes subframes with custom front and rear control arms and KW 3-way adjustable coilovers. all that accumulated grease and oil. Install without transmission. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. I would like to put an engine in mine that puts out at leat 300maybe 255+. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. ya dont destroy a 5-speed sportline. Also note that the 1992 M119 engine is a KE-Jetronic engine, whereas the M119 as used in the 500E is LH-Jetronic, and the injection as used on the M104 you mentioned is HFM (essentially Motronic). Probably $5k for the engine, $1.5k for the tranny, and the cost of the computer plus labor, figer 9-12. you have a diamond in the rough. JavaScript is disabled. these are quite uncommon. The engine produces 510 horsepower and 630 Nm to the rear wheels. Makes a fantastic daily driver. Connect oil pressure and oil level sensor wires, Bolt wire bracket to rear of intake manifold (10mm), Connect alternator wires coming from right fender, Connect rear crankshaft position sensor wire, Connect front crankshaft position sensor under X11 diagnostic port, Connect heater return hose at back of engine, Use W124 water reservoir overflow hose and 190E valve from thermostat cover, Use T connector at front vacuum nipple to connect to EZL and EGR/Smog pump solenoid, Connect black striped white vacuum line from throttle body to check valve at fender behind headlight, Connect 3 vacuum line at rear of intake manifold. And isn't the M119.960 slightly wider and taller, making the fit into a 124 even harder? With such a light car I don't think you need more than 300. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Power is sent through a 4-inch driveshaft to a BMW E34 differential modified to fit the factory Mercedes subframe. CLK, W209. I used 400E brakes, but the nicest is using 95 SL 600 brakes up front and rearThe rear are vented rotors instead of solidI've seen racing slicks lock up with 190Es and no ABS with these brakesBut be prepared for another $1200. Now that I'm fully woken up and on my third cup of coffee, I also want to mention that the KE-Jet M119 has a completely different computer and electronics setup than the LH-based M119 cars. What engine can fit into this car? 1996 Volvo 855GLT, 1993 MB 190e 2.3 8v, 1998 Subaru Outback SUS, 1991 BMW 525, 1998 MB C230. CIS 4 prong sensor is now located at the water pump so this needs to be lengthened. Include wire from ground at ignition coil bracket. I think you meant steering box/column from a w201 (not W210) W103 is what you meant. The engine produces 468 horsepower and 580 Nm (427 lb-ft) of torque to the rear wheels thanks to the turbocharger producing 0.7 bar (10.1 psi) of boost. it isnt a direct swap. It has a double overhead cam design with 4 valves per cylinder, and used a crossflow cylinder head. Will be taking it there soon so I'll post my times. I have a mint condition M104 I6 3.2L and the transmission is mint, so is the diff. Therefore, nothing but good old venerable striahgt 6s. It's like obsidian gray in color so it can't be, then again it's been repainted, but I think the same color. If you are picky about colors and options, plan on a nationwide search that may take 6 months or longer. Swapped! The flywheels and driven plates (for the automatic) have large metal ridges that trigger a sensor for the ignition system. Sweden for a dyno tune. engine alone. Learn how your comment data is processed. If I was ever going swap in a V8 into a W124 sedan it would be a Chevy LS motor. For those unfamiliar with the project, it's powered by a turbocharged 3.2 L M104 inline-six producing 800 horsepower and 930 Nm (685 lb-ft) of torque and Tex Racing T101a . Not to mention, but on the 500E, the computers are located under the hood, and the battery is located in the trunk. Hi Adriano. It doesn't get over 300 horsepower but its pretty quick. I saw one real nice one on the web that had a AMG 3.8 in it. Lengthen and connect the 3 prong connector under fuel distributor for airflow potentiometer (brown/green, blue/black, blue/green), Lengthen and connect the 1 prong coolant temperature sensor (green), Lengthen and connect the 2 prong coolant temperature sensor (brown, green), Lengthen and connect cold start valve wire, Longer CIS 4 prong coolant temperature sensor. ugh! Get the full engine harness, the ezl unit, and the ecu. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. However, The flywheel is going to be a problem for you. M104.98x Motor Swap in a 190E One of the most common engine swaps for a 190E is the installation of the bigger M103 3.0L motor. Mercedes W124 with a 1000 hp Turbo M104 Inline-Six November 6, 2019 W124 This Mercedes W124 300E called "Blueberry" is built and owned by Turbobandit in Stockholm, Sweden. BenzWorld.org forum is one of the largest Mercedes-Benz owner websites offering the most comprehensive collection of Mercedes-Benz information anywhere in the world. Find a decent but cheap 400e or a very cheap 500e and bite the bullet on cost upfront and invest the time to make it 'good'. ..looking in that engine bay I understand why, https://teamlovetap.com/the-only-w209-driftcar-in-the-world. The stock 3.8L Euro has 218bhp and I have flowmaster exhaust, an intake from a 420SEL, (It bolts right on), and a crane cams ignition. i dont think i need to do anything to the firewall. Source: Team Lovetap (project page), Team Lovetap FB page, Auto-Gruppen FB page, and Drifted. i think you would need to splice int he wiring harness from the 104. it is alot of work if i had to do this i would do a m117 swap. The alternator for the W124 will work, but the wires will be kinked in an unnatural position. Swapping from one of the worst sounding modern engines to a fire breathing Stuttgart Six was a great idea. JavaScript is disabled. Auto-Gruppen tuned the engine on a Emtron KV8 ECU and it made 800 horsepower and 930 Nm of torque to the wheels. How much power can you get out of the 16v? The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. : 119975 12 021689 Transmission: 722366 04 102785 744U Brilliant Silver 7181 Stratus Gray (cladding) 268 E420 I can still find/source a good E420, any idea of the prices how much should I be paying for a car with not near to immaculate but runs and drives strong with no rust spots and corrosions with no accidents or damage reports. Use your original engine mounts and exhaust downpipe, these are a direct fit to the m104. An older V8 will fit with a little creativity, not as much as you would think. Then swap in a 2.65-2.82 differential (in place of the 2.24 granny gears) and, optionally, a 5.0L engine. What are some 1/4 time and or top speed #'s for people have done these swaps? Inside the car you find a custom six-point roll cage, Takata 6-point harness, Sparco Evo 2 seats. It replaced the M103 and was replaced by the M112 V6 starting in 1997. The secondary firewall and motor mounts are also positioned differently to accommodate the extra length of the M103. The original 190E engine support brackets must be brought over from the original motor as well as the motor mounts. One thing i forgot to mention, the sway bar and the skid plate needs to be modified but thats easy peasy. Any slk egne fit in there? Don't tear into the 190e yet, I would like to purchase it from you ! Mercedes made a ton of upgrades when they put the V8 into the 6-cyl chassis, which is why you can't easily upgrade the E320. The Mercedes-Benz M104 is a straight-6 automobile engine produced from 1989 through 1999. :p, What about suspension and the rearend? The injection system is still CIS and the ignition system is still EZL, but additional work is required to make the swap complete. Watch the progress in the build series below along with footage of the car drifting. It is the newer 24valve m104 engine. as i have said, the chassis for 2.6 vs all other models are different. torque using the old KE Elctro-Mechanical Fuel Injection like that used on the older m103 Inline 6. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. Remember that according to any 400E/E420 owner, it is 90% of a 500E !! Way back in 2007, we were presented with an interesting engine swap. The car rides on a Wisefab front and rear suspension with BC Racing adjustable coilovers. Let's see .. Palli, you're in the correct forum. The factory VQ35DE V6 has given way to a turbocharged Mercedes M104 inline-six mated to a Samsonas H-pattern transmission. Removed the front bumper, upper radiator support, radiator, condenser, and engine harness. The engine features stock crank, Turbobandit 143 mm H-beam rods, stock pistons, stock bearings, Enem camshafts, double valve springs, Audi R8 coilpacks, and 2200 cc injectors. Heater core and radiator connections are both identical, M103 vacuum hard line fits well, 124.104 PS Pump has larger fittings 201.103 is direct replacement just swap over rear mount bracket, late model 124 AC discharge lines up with condenser..suction just needs one crimp to combine 103 upper and 104 lower half R R0BB09 E500E Newbie Aug 10, 2019 Mrten Stngberg and his team at Team Lovetap in Sweden spent the off-season rebuilding the engine, transmission, and trunk area in their 2003 Mercedes CLK. He is an electrical wizard. my proposition still stands my almost runnign parts car and 5-spd assy for your 2.6 5-spd. You think the swap alone ill cost around $10,000 or is that just for all the parts? For those unfamiliar with the project, its powered by a turbocharged 3.2 L M104 inline-six producing 800 horsepower and 930 Nm (685 lb-ft) of torque and Tex Racing T101a four-speed dogbox. cheap way ,and use procharger instead. I have a 1990 190E 2.6the straight six just isnt cutting it performance wise. How to get your M119 5.0L V8 running optimally? you should check on 190rev there's more tuning types there than here. Would you recomend doing this swap? I've always wondered why people make the wagons accept V8s when it might be easier to make the sedan a wagon (shooting brake, if you will). I believe the engine carrier would need to be modified. The swap from the smaller 2.6L M103 to a 3.0L M103 is a direct bolt-on swap (assuming the engines from the same cutoff years are used) and gives a small increase of around 30HP. The site includes MB Forums, News, Galleries, Publications, Classifieds, Events and much more! I just like to make plan on what and how I am going to do it so when it comes time I know exactly what needs to be done. Alright, putting a 94 M104 into a 89 2.6 5spd W201 (Green/Black). But any ways, what engines can I put in my 190? If you really want to get speed though, deff change the brakes. The engine produces 510 horsepower and 630 Nm to the rear wheels. 120492018_1240624106295229_4604718134584404570_n.jpg. Fuel is fed to the inline-six through Bosch 2200 cc injectors and Nuke Performance fuel rail. So my question is, can I just find a used M104 3.2 liter engine and ECU, and toss it into my car? I did all the swaps and all the work myself. Source: VRP Fab (large build gallery) via ESD reader Piotr. The sedan originally came with a 3.0 L M103 12v inline-six but was replaced with a 3.0 L M104.980 24v inline-six. Hello, I'm new to the Mercedes world, just picked up a 1993 190e 2.6 sportline 5spd manual for my daily driver. I believe the lotus elan used a turbocharged or supercharged 4 banger which produced nice power. Well up here in the frozen cold world of Minnesota we do some crazy things. That was later replaced with a turbocharged M104.992 inline-six now making 1000+ horsepower on 8.7:1 compression and MegaSquirt MS3X ECU. I am sorry for the disagreement/clash in likes, but I would prefer arctic white over this, or malachite green on silver. An additional option is to have a high pressure diagnostic port installed as well since this port will be lost from switching to the M104 A/C manifold. as for fitting in the 104 engine, it is anyone's guess whether the manifold and down pipes will clear the steering box. And if so is there no way around it? I believe you are correct that it came with a V6. Affectionately called the LS-190, the swap looked to be carefully planned out, and rather well executed. If it doesn't stall leave it alone!!!!!!!!!!!! I believe that the M102, M103 and M104 bellhousing patterns are the same, meaning you can mount a 5-speed transmission from a 300E or 190E onto your M104. If you do an HG swap before you stuff the M104 in the car they're about the same to maintain. I suppose that would work, I'm not sure why the 2.0 steering column is different than 2.3 or 2.6. So one day we decided that that nobody has ever ( that I've seen) built and successfully completed a 500e wagon. Going to add the flywheel magnet to a single mass M103 FW, Forgot to mention this is also a non-ASR engine, the amount of wire harnesses and modules even on the simpler 6cyl is a bit staggering.I think adapting a BMW M50 motronic would probably be easier, Steve Geyer has done this swap with his 190E, he would be an excellent source for this. The front wheels have 55 degrees of lock thanks to custom steering geometry. I would reduce the length by half a centimeter. Mrten will lower the power to around 860 whp while . We had a 5.0L from an 80's mercedes, 240bhp, but decided to go with the higher revving motor. All bolt-in, no welding required. W203 Mercedes M104 3.2 TURBO Build In 10 Minutes (The German 2JZ) Ricer Benz 3.94K subscribers Join Subscribe 1.4K Share 85,007 views Apr 16, 2022 2004 Mercedes W203 with a M104 3.2l swap &. Mercedes-Benz Sedan / Coupe / Wagon Forums, tongue-in-cheek - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary. My M104 is a 99 hfm. Connect single pin connector by ignition coil, Connect AC compressor wires (blue/green, white, blue/red), Connect throttle position wires (brown/yellow, brown, gray/yellow). Doesn't the 93 sportline have the switchable differential? This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. w16302ML500 w21097E50Amg w20299C230K w12494420e /==>w12495320e-199u (needs elec TLC) /GreatWhiteNorth Kanada, I dont think w210 would be the right forum for this but i changed it, 89 190E2.6- 5-speed Manual - 200K miles, 95 E320 Sportsline-sold, 2001 E320 4matic Wagon-sold. This Nissan 350Z was built to drift by Yaroslav Kremets from Nomotors in Kyiv, Ukraine. Simply put, the M103 and M104 share the same block, primary differences are the head and the injection setup. His forum name is SG Motorsports. Time laps build of my 190e 3.2 M104engine swap,mercedes,190e,mercedes 190e engine swap m104.942 test,mercedes-benz m104 engine,w201 m111 m104 190e mercedes s. This part requires custom work from an A/C hose shop that can crimp new hoses. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. I owned a supra before this car and miss it. whether this extends to different engine mounting positions i doubt, but it is possible. '84 Euro 500SE, '85 Euro 2.3-16, '51 Euro 170S, '97 Jeep Wrangler Sport, '15 G63 AMG. The upper hose needs to be simply matched to the original length of the 190E part and the lower hose comes out to around 20cm (I would try 19.5cm for an easier fit. Mrten Stngberg and his team at Team Lovetap in Sweden spent the off-season rebuilding the engine, transmission, and trunk area in their 2003 Mercedes CLK. from my search I limit the option for an engine swap between the M104.980 from w124 300ce 24v and the M104.990 from a W140 320. the volvo is a non turbo auto which will become a t-5R 5 spd in the future. Most E420's do not have ASR nor heated seats. The team also includes mechanics Christopher Reinholdsson, Robin Carlsson, Stefan Engstrm, Jesper Jumisko, Edvin Olsson, Joel Haglund, and media/spotter Sebastian Simonsson. The factory VQ35DE V6 has given way to a turbocharged Mercedes M104 inline-six mated to a Samsonas H-pattern transmission. I have a 3.8 V8 from a 1981 380SL in my 190. Each wheel is turned by upgraded axles with modified knuckles and BMW E34 hubs. Wow, Thanks for all the info. Lower engine from hoist into engine bay and align motor mounts. I've gotten the complete HFM/CC/ISC harnesses out, ready to harvest more. Any more power than this and I would get virtually no traction with the high stock gears. easist way for me would be add two injector before throttle body, let a a along ecu to fire them with rpm sensing. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Mounting the 190E A/C manifold to the engine block introduces a problem where the A/C compressor can no longer be mounted to the accessory bracket. Has a black W201FTW vanity plate. The body features a custom widebody designed by SeidoWorks. Learn how your comment data is processed. Is there a cross reference for this or is the ebay special the best bet? I have a friend who had a 3.0L from a 300E in his 190 and it was pretty quick too. Additionally, the high pressure hose is slightly longer and uses a 90 degree bend that is not compatible with a 190E 2.6 A/C condenser. MBWorld member Gen3Benz had the ambitious plan of stuffing an LS1 V8 motor under the hood of his W201. Team Lovetap is a Swedish drift team started by driver and fabricator Mrten Stngberg. If it was a black 2.6, with gray cladding, that's John's car from the over on the rev. It may not display this or other websites correctly. I wasn't kidding about a 6-12 month search nationwide. The engine produces 468 horsepower and 580 Nm (427 lb-ft) of torque to the rear wheels thanks to the turbocharger producing 0.7 bar (10.1 psi) of boost. The engine is mated to a Tex Racing T101a four-speed dogbox using a Sachs Motorsports pressure plate, Tenaci Motorsport 200 mm clutch discs and flywheel. So my question and a big debate in my mind is how practical it is for a swap of M119 from a 1992 500 SL into a W124 E320 1994, If I would get positive vibes I'll have both cars complete and in running conditions, w124 being near to immaculate and r129 being not in so great condition. Also depends if you are willing to take on a "mechanic's special" that is cheap because they couldn't figure out what's wrong with it. I heard the M104 is the same longblock engine as the M103 with the same fuel delivery system, except it is bored out for more displacement, and has DOHC 4 valves per cyllinder instead of SOHC 2 per cyllinder, but is essentially the same engine. The car is powered by a 3.2 L M104.992 inline-six using stock pistons, forged 144 mm rods, main girdle, custom intake and exhaust manifolds, custom dry sump system, and BorgWarner EFR 9180 turbocharger. Could any of yall point me in the right direction to d this? I would also like to do suspension up grades and a EVOII kit in the future. Head gasket and oil leaks are common to both engines. i have the m102 2.0 in the car as is and i have heard that the problem with having the smaller motor rather than the 2.3 or 2.6 is that the steering box will cause a problem when fitting the engine? Note that the battery is located under the hood on an E320, and the couple of computers there are, are located just behind the battery under the windshield. Once all the wiring is laid out it is pretty simple to figure out. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. you have a 2.6 sportline 5spd they are super had to come by( ask me how i know) i would leave it alone and do the maintenance to it. Seen one in the "legends of the autobahn" car show a couple of years ago in Carmel/Monterey. Was real nice. Only 100 cars like mine ever imported into the US, really, I don't know, can anyone cite accurate numbers? I think if you're looking for a fast 124, you have a bunch of options that'll be cheaper than swapping a v8 into an I6 car. I can still find/source a good E420, any idea of the prices how much should I be paying for a car with not near to immaculate but runs and drives strong with no rust spots and corrosions with no accidents or damage reports. Another option is to swap in the CIS version of the M104 engine found on the earliest M104 powered cars (1990-1992 300CE and 1990-1993 300SL). used 2jz is about 3500-10000 $. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. I wish I could have a M3 or Audi TT, but dont have the cash. Yes, I'm putting the 1995 E420 Special Edition on the block for a number of reasons which I'm not going to expound on here about. Yeah, I've got a thread going over there too. 1990 190E 2.6 oil pressure problem uh-oh! The easiest swap out, would be a 90-93 300SL Engine Swap. Another 500e wagon is born: Silver / Gray | High-Performance Modifications, Imperial Red 500E Wagon Build | High-Performance Modifications, SOLD - 1995 E420 Special Edition, Brilliant Silver/Gray, 113k, $4900 (Tampa, FL) | 400E / E420 Cars for Sale. If the fuel pump runs does this indicate power? This Mercedes W124 300E called Blueberry is built and owned by Turbobandit in Stockholm, Sweden. The site includes MB Forums, News, Galleries, Publications, Classifieds, Events and much more! I am currently working on a my W201 2.6 project car. The sedan originally came with a 3.0 L M103 12v inline-six but was replaced with a 3.0 L M104.980 24v inline-six. Using the ones meant for a W124 will result in the engine sitting too high and interfere with hood closing, Removed the engine mount support arms from the original 190E motor and transferred to the new M104 motor. Since then the car has seen a lot of action. the mercedes is a DD that gets 30mpg that looks good. Auto-Gruppen tuned the engine on a Emtron KV8 ECU . When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. The M104.98x now has an updated version of CIS that is not directly compatible with the older version. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. M119 upper engine harness - how to rewire temp plug? JavaScript is disabled. It was built for the track and drifting. Biggest problem isint fuel, if u cant retard ignition according to boost then eventually u have some major engine failure. If you want one super clean AND fully sorted it might be closer to $10k. 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