The police standard is not to let a person get closer than 21 feet with a weapon like a knife, club etc with out being engaged. Mr. Shoemakers observations about irrational fear, opinions based on nonexperience or shilling, and the need for multiple hits in a hurry are the most astute and real world in this series. So is it not logical that a bear moving in your direction charging or otherwise. They are not fun to shoot, not fun to carry. Something else. There was also a guy who used the Air Force M6 .22 LR/.410 GA over/under rifle/shotgun. If it was acting as weird as they say, they were idiots for not assuming that it was rabid. just my 2 cents. I doubt that I have walked past a moose without noticing. do revolvers. AFLoader, the Automated Universal Pistol Magazine Loader, https://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/bear%20spray.pdf. Unless you are an expert hand-gunner with tons of real world experience.. carry a rifle and have the pistol as backup. 200gr LRN out of my G29 or EAA Elite Match. With bears you keep shooting until it stops moving your survival depends on tossing allot of big, heavy lead very fast. uh://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/two-attacked-by-cougar-identified-wildlife-officials-say-predator-was-emaciated/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=article_title_1.1, https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/two-attacked-by-cougar-identified-wildlife-officials-say-predator-was-emaciated/. I will take it to heart and now that Ive learned the 4 3 1 rule Ill not forget it, and not fail to abide by it while in bear country, and quite probably every time Im hunting. Winchester lists their .410 GA slugs as 1800 feet per second. In an ambush situation, if you havent been paying attention, you wont have much time to reactMost of the people I know use the Ruger Alaskan pistols in 44mag minimum, next in popularity is the 454 Ruger Alaskan. Dating back to 1873, the .45 Colt will provide very impressive terminal ballistics when loaded in a strong, modern handgun. Mountain lion attacks often allow the victims a bit of time to access weapons. Especially when you carry an extra mag. Young cubs are emerging for the first time, and mothers are ultra-protective. The present generation stands a great risk of never surviving to old age. Speaking of cougars, check out this video from Barcroft TV. Even with the hottest 460 I find the revolver to be controllable. No semi-auto makes the grade except perhaps the .50 AE, but most ammo for that fails due to bullets. Wolfe played for the Broncos from 2012-19 and the Ravens in 2020. However, I can get 2 aimed shots with my hot 10mm for every one with any big bore revolver Ive ever shot. Sounds like you have everything covered. where do you come up with this bullshit. If I know ahead of time that Im heading into black bear country, I like to carry my big handgun: a Ruger Blackhawk, chambered in .45 Colt, stainless finish with a 7 -inch barrel. When I asked him for his insight, he was kind enough to respond in detail. I dont shoot them well enough, fast enough to satisfy me, 2. This gun is horrible to carry full time when it must be out of site sometimes!! Mountain lions are normally very secretive and cautious. The first dozen rounds I shot were without gloves and I got a severe cut on my support hand thumb! No thanks. Its a simple concept. I havent tried it, but maybe a cut down .454 case to .45 Colt length would help with that. What we can do is provide a framework to understand what average conditions might look like, and whether those are reasonably viable for a shot from the average shooter to harvest a cougar or mountain lion in the fewest number of shots possible, i.e., ethically. Little meat damage and with a WC or Semi WC will certainly do the job. Personally, Ive only seen a grizzly bear from the comfortable confines of a vehicle, but that boar in Yellowstone Park made a lasting impression. Good stuff. If I had not shot the hog with a .44 Magnum I think it would have ended very badly. Most glocks can be purchased for about 600 dollars. Ruger, .38 special have been a huge disappointment for me. Seriously funny ! He makes a grizzly look like a cub. CCIs classic .38 Special shot or snake If one comes onto my property, its dead, otherwise Ill leave them alone, unless of course in self defense. Almost no one practices with bear spray and almost no one can get their can to bear (pun intended) and spray within 4-5 seconds. For me, Id say whatever you have at the time is better than nothing. First you start off by saying a Judge or Governor is not what you want for bear country, then end by saying you carry a Redhawk in .45 Colt for bear. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. 7 tours of duty (Coast Guard) and 11 years of volunteer EMT3 doing Bush & Mountain rescue all over Alaska, 10 years as AK Hunter Safety instructor and professional brown bear photographer + successful hunter and competition shooter, and trapper. In the melay to draw his weapon he had hit the magazine release and his magazine fell out. I would rather lug a 12 gauge or Marlin guide gun in 45/70 for bear protection. They always seem to show up. Hell I wish someone would make a wheel gun for the 416 rem mag. into the Grizzly point blank range killing it. Back in COME AND GET IT! Shot placement . I believe he used a 9mm. Perry can dispatch a coyote with a Ruger LCP you most certainly could do it with .38 Special +p or not and it will also kill a mountain lion. A woman was killed by a cougar, in Washington State a couple of weeks ago, while mountain biking. pistol. 3-6 .357 mag with 200g hardcast at 1250fps or more, depending on barrel length. In fact, a shot from a .357 caliber revolver or a shotgun at close range is more likely to kill a mountain lion than an accidental discharge . I carry both in a Blackhawk Alaska Guide Holster in the field, and in a Galco leather CCW holster under my belt in town: since being on TV, I learned that stalkers can be just as dangerous a charging bear. bullets would probably only allow one shot, one handed. 9mm & 38? Lesson learned never keep food for bears in your camp site. He normally carries a .44 Magnum but opted for the 9mm that day. Since Proposition . No bear or cubs life is worth a human life. The FORGOTTEN GUN (but one of the best Alaska Bear Guns) is the Ruger .480 7.5 OR 10. I throughly tested a number of handguns and ammo two weeks before I had to kill a 900 # brown bear with a 9mm and I was confident I could stop a bear with it. What would be the minimum barrel length for any bear spanker? Question whats your life worth to you. Then it rolled over and started walking. Not to be the asshole of the crowd, but a Grizzly is an Ursus arctos horribilis as opposed to just the Ursus arctos, or Brown Bear. 400g hornady JHP on a 300lb hog shot from front, while laying prone, went through the shoulder, traveled full length of body and exited hind-quarter over 2.5 feet of thick, dense, penetration. so dont tell me or others you rough it in the Alaskan wilderness because thats bullshit. Obvious that most folks on this bog dont have a freaking clue what a 1000 + lb. That said, the 4-3-1 is a simple and effective rule of thumb. Mountain lions have been terrorizing livestock in Lake County over the past weeks, and this was not the first instance to be reported to authorities. Colorado Parks and Wildlife said the man, identified on Thursday as 31-year-old Travis Kauffman, is "recovering well" after the self-defense attack on Feb. 4. Youre just a hokey guy who tries to be funny by putting others down. My gun will push the strong 300-grain hollowpoints to just under 1,200 fps, and thats a formula that can end a confrontation. Although, for me, the closest I want to get to a rattler is a 44 mag snake load, preferably my Judge in .410 7 shot. Youre 100% correct. I saw a beautiful Blond one in Glacier Natl Park a couple of years ago. The 148 grain SC is great as long as it is a hollow base, and loaded backwards with the hollow base facing out. I am a handgun hunter who lives in Wyoming and hunts the Beartooth. Were they harder to kill then healthy racoons, no. Thank you! In the early hours of 25 November 2016, the day after . Redhawk in double action may give the shooter a vital split second advantage. In the end the animals will lose as even the anti-hunting crowd will realize that dangerous animals cannot be tolerated around civilization as there is no room for both humans and dangerous animals or wild animals that destroy crops. The most restrictive, California State Proposition 117, passed in 1990, prohibits the killing of any mountain lion except in the case of an animal that poses a direct threat to people, pets, or . However, two of those incidents resulted in fatalities. I took my Colt .45 with a 7 barrel over, to do what needed to be done. He said not really. However, should you have the misfortune of getting between a sow and her cubs, or perhaps meet a cantankerous old boar, the black bear certainly has the equipment to rearrange your anatomy, and even possibly render your birth certificate null and void. Back in the 70s, this form of competition was only for revolvers. No, they dont. Ammunition To Go : 50rds - 38 Special Federal LE 158gr. Bears, wild critters, thats all very nice and fluffy. We now have on earth more humans than were ever born since the beginning of mans evolution and with the masses of excess pollution we have already destroyed the planet we are living on. I have several 44 mags a .41, .45 Colt and 8 different .357s in various types and the 329PD is lightweight and with the 225s is heavy medicine for bears. Let's dive right in. can a 38 special kill a mountain lion. Ive hunted brown bear three times with a hand gun only. a Ruger Blackhawk, chambered in .45 Colt, stainless finish with a 7 -inch barrel. The Freedom Arms Model 83, in .454 Casull, in a serious piece of gear. I carry either my Ruger Alasken 44 mag, or my Ruger GP 100 in 44 Special with custom loaded 255 gr. My only proof of that assertion goes back 17 years when I was unkowingly walking my blind dog very near a collared grizzly sow with two cubs. As an outdoorsman, I enjoy being afield in all sorts of capacities. What did you have I asked, he said he had a .454 Casull in a shoulder harness. You could get pretty close to a semi-auto .454 Casull if you had a .440 Cor-Bon Desert Eagle. so why risk it. His eyes were as wide as saucers, and he was taking strides twice as long as his normal gait would produce. Great point with the Redhawk recommendation! Do you have a problem with this model? With a double-action police type service revolver I can unload all six spent shell casings into the palm of my hand and thus Radically Invasive Projectile G2 ammo works! 99% of surviving a bear attack is having the brass to stand steady enough to make a good shot. And if he could run too fast, any caliber will work for knee caps!!!! That winter, I shot a buffalo @ 50 yards with 300 grain federal cast core in a ruger .44 carbine. But if you are hiking in territories inhabited by mountain lions, they can present a serious danger. I have two dogs and they said that might provoke the bears. 44 mag is a minimum and it would have to be a DA version. Spent half my working career in Alaska, hunted, fished, hiked. A 629 classic 44 Mag. You arent arent going to get to reload and the targets are moving really fast. Not handloading right now, so that obvious solution is not available; only factory ammo. While attempting to release the Grizzly an accident occurred with the bear on top of .38spl are pretty light loads. . you spent 6 weeks on the road system not the boondocks If you are in the boondocks whatever that means? Mountain lions killed 15 dogs in 30 days near a Colorado town. be utilized for small game hunting: rabbit, squirrel, and grouse. You would have had until between the 8 and the 6 to be unloading a gun into it , and still possibly wind up injured ! He told the cameraman Ive killed bears with this gun. sounds like you have too many guns and cant decide on which one to take. However, I dont think that a short barrel revolver will produce such a velocity. .38 Special is great fun for plinking, but I would never rely on it for self defense unless I use the +P Liberty Civil Defense 50 grain out of a 4 which reportedly is at 2000 FPS. The S&W Govnor and the Taurus Judge are not what you would want in bear country. Sometimes I carry a .44 Magnum with 300-grain cast bullets, but never anything smaller for bear protection. Not being a cougar hunter, didnt pay much attention to it. I have used the Casull to take a lot of game including several black bears so I understand the terminal ballistics of this cartridge pretty well. The free enterprise system in Africa works for big game, and for the villagers. Listed were all the big names but one very powerful handgun was not mentioned. Get as informed as you can, and make the best choice you can. . A powerful handgun with a tough, deep penetrating bullet is the key. But .380's tend to be small handguns, and with a mountain lion if it's within the accurate range of a small pocket gun you're likely already dead. None of the planned gun laws have any impact on bolt-action rifles as far as I'm aware (except perhaps limiting magazine capacity if it has one), and to be extra safe you could get a bolt-action rifle without a detachable magazine. The second shot went CLICK. Just holes. Same applies to the Redhawk if you insist on a DA. You go first, Ill watch. Native to the Americas, the puma, also called the mountain lion, cougar, catamount or panther, often shares its habitat with several other top predators, such as wolves, bears, coyotes and jaguars. I sure wanted to sit and talk to him about all the storys they brought back. 255gr. I no longer use trick bullets or many jacketed bullets. I shoot a 44 mag Ruger Redhawk 4 in ss I love it. against a pack of feral dogs a .38 Special is highly effective and lethal. Hunters killed off mountain lions in the park in the 1930s but the animals moved back in during the 1980s. Great article. based on their investigations of human-bear encounters since 1992, persons encountering grizzlies and defending themselves with firearms suffer injury about 50% of the time. Equipped with piano wire springs, the wisely designed transfer bar and adjustable sights, I am very confident with this pistol in hand. Colorado Springs, Colo. The craggy mesas and sagebrush valleys of the West have a wild horse problem. Predator animals act by instinct when challenged and hunt for food not to rob you or for the pleasure of killing you. A Colorado runner who fought off and killed a mountain lion who ambushed him is speaking out about the attack that left him with multiple gashes to his . Expert trackers look for the following to identify mountain lion tracks: Three lobes at the bottom of the pad. FMJ. Its jackass. A .38 snubby? Remember one thing in Bear country. Schalow was 10 years old at the time. Brown bear commonsense options: not litter the landscape. If you can't gain proficiency and carry something of reasonable power level, then go with spray. Can mountain lions jump? A revolver is a one threat gun so unless you are Jerry Miculek you will run out of ammo with a revolver. Worse is the comment on using a .38 Spl in bear country is better then no gun: BS, if your not prepared, dont go! Bear spray is actually bear fogger and comes out in a finely atomized mist with absolutely no chance of moving against even the faintest of breezes. Mountain lions have a size advantage, a power advantage, and more weapons in their arsenal to kill a wolf. Ive literally seen .38 spl ricochet of the skulls of hogs, later being found somewhere between the hide and muscle upon skinning. Between 3- and 3.5-inch-wide tracks. Our neighbor asked if I would come over and put it down. He saw a seasoned Ranger carry the same rigging and said that was good enough for Him. That combo gets exceptional penetration you just have to have a revolver that can handle it like that the Ruger, Freedom Arms, etc. carry ! In your expert opinion is my 44mag redhawk with LBT heat treated solids weighing 300 grains adequate? while you are on the road system you are in cell phone communications 90% of the time. There was an Indian woman in Canada out hunting small game for the stew pot with her .22 rifle, when she found herself being hunted by a large grizzly. A 45 Long Colt? The one time I did push these cases was to experiment with that claim, and after 5 heavy loadings, the primer pockets were very loose, but no sign of any case separation. wild boars They only work if you have them with you. There was a Professor who during the 50s and 60s working with the US Forrest Service..spent a great deal of time studying bears and bear attacks. I would also explore all the different kinds ammo available that would be the best for an attack by a bear. One California farmer found herself caught up in a conservation dilemma, after a wild mountain lion attacked her ranch and killed her animals. The bfr is very easy shooting postal and extremely accurate. Newsweek has contacted the California Department of Fish and Wildlife for comment. They have been conditioned to hear a gun and equate it to a free meal. So far, Ive never seen anything bigger than a hare, but it never hurts to be careful. He very clearly laid out the steps required and when someone should shoot a bear in self defense.. His commentary may still be out there on the web but a quick search did not turn it up.. Of course because political activists have infiltrated Rangers and such.. The authors well-worn, and well-loved Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt is a perfect handgun for bear country. From the Noatak to Frazier Lake, Kodiak, Ive seen a lot of bears. A lion's natural life span is probably about 12 years in the wild and up to 25 years in captivity. They are considered important in maintaining ecosystems and controlling other animal populations such as deer, its preferred prey. I heard that some hikers on Mt. Their saliva or blood can kill you even after the animal itself is already dead. I carry my Ruger SP101 357 on me always, and when camping, I have my 45-70 close by. Certainly a .22 is enough to kill anything if you shoot it in the head point blank. Again, please keep in mind that we only have black bears to contend with here in New York. For more information about Hornady ammunition, click here. They have been most noted in the mountains of California but had, at one time, been found across North and South America. I bought Bear Loads in .45 LC and .357 MAG, but they were both hollow points (300 & 180 grains, respectively). Scientific Evidence regarding bear spray?.. A handgun was what you might carry out to take a dump at night to make you feel better. We hadnt thought of that. I carry a 10 round 9mm when bow and black powder hunting in Black Bear country. This bit of firsthand experience has made me change my point of view in favor of wheel guns and the calibers they favor. 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