And every time I think to myself a real narcissist would never apologizewould never admit his frailty. But once I pick him upremind him of his valuetell him I believe in him and see his strengthits only a matter of days or weeks before he finds a reason to fight and the silent treatment begins. So pretty sure this last year has been my growing beyond his crap year, so I could be strong enough to leave him in my dust. Eden, the nerve they have popping in and out and around our lives like nothing is soooo unsettling and weird to the norm, but he is not normal so he would probably in his mind (which we know does not function properly) feel it is ok. That is what sets us apart from them. So from this point onvten years ago til now had has been Im control. That would suck. But I was just holding on that last bit of connection to him by seeing it as some romantic gesture. Wow this letter sounds like my soon to be X, Kevin! The problem is they can never view themselves objectively, so your efforts are fruitless. I guess that applies to his relationship as well. I also think it is very important to focus on the reasons why you fell into a relationship like that. Im proud to say it worked, i blocked her on social media, blocked her phone number and deleted her from my life, that was 6 months ago. I dont reflect his favorite version of himself back to him anymore, and I think he worries that he will have to face a more reality based version when he sees me now. If only it were easier to spot them immediately! She promised to pay back every dime. And each time he shows you just how dysfunctional he is, cementing your decision to leave him alone. But now youre gone, the narcissist misses the ability to control you. It surprised me, thought she was married to the guy she lives with. Reading Suggestion: Are Narcissists Happy With Themselves? In fact the fusion/input of all other schools is extremely valid. NPD, Antisocial BPD, etc etc. Are they capable of friendship? His parents, siblings and children have nothing to do with him. I thought I was going crazy after going through hell with my ex N. I totally agree with anupturnedsoul. [] N will come back again and againafter initiating their silent treatment until you just cut them off. Lol I love your description of the jealousy with the overweight woman who glares at you!????? I grew up with narcassism in my family. He said he gets bored easily.. On the other hand that voice Dont do it!! Now i have to start all over again:-(. So now everytime since then when someone comes to my door, I dont answer it unless i know who it is. PLEASE, DONT TAKE IT AS AN EXUSE, NC should be implemented, because WATEVER INTENTIONS ARE ONE CANNOT STAY IN RELATIONSIPS WITH BPD. My ex wanted some time to think about what he wanted so I ended it for him. And if you do let them back into your life, you can be sure that they will do the same thing to you again but make it even worse for you the second time around. I know a few of these women and I have been one of the very few shoulders they have to lean on. He called back repeatedly, sent 17 emails in a 12 hour period. Remember, he suffers from a disorder that can get out of hand. We survivors are only a little LESS predictable in how we are slowly destroyed from within. Helpt me with the car etc.. I have a protection order but he doesnt care. I know i should not do that. Not a friend I want to keep, thank you very much. I just think he knows everything I do for him and no one else will be that way what do you think. While some of us are a little more narcissistic than others, very few people are actual . Thanks! Shes left again and Ive not heard from her in over a week. I married him because he begged me to marry him two years into our relationship. Underestimating the narcissist. When he came bak he hated me and punished me . The narcissist knows that as soon as their current relationship fails, theyve got someone to run to who is willing and waiting to take them back. Maybe this is a part of his punishment of him. this man was my world, my everything and I did absolutely everything for him. I did..and regretted it of course. Recovering from this type of relationship takes considerable effort and self-care. I am in no way shape or form insinuating that women narcs/borderlines are worse than male narcs. Cuz I'm with someone else or i can reverse hoover him or manipulate him to hoover me back. Well, thats what I thought I would be. Thank you for your kind comment. Unlike your ex, mine doesnt cop to anything hes done. (Yeah, thats truesick f*ck that he is.) I instantly saw the wordprisoners)To make a long story short he wants to see me next tuesday for lunch, but I really do not feel like it I have gone through the shock, the anger, the grief, the self blame and have learned so much about myself..my strength and resilience, and ability to love. I also went out with my narc (or so I think) for two years. Really good article, I just wish it contained more psychological research. You see? The only reason why they would want their ex back is that they know theyre an easy source of supply. All he wants is someone to give him supply whether good for bad. I said well if your going to kill me, then do it. In response to Jills comment, Oct 10 at 9:31 PM, Jill, there was something broken in them that we wanted to try and heal or at least help them through. The couple have been together for nearly 15 years and the odd request left the . I would recommend your getting counseling and contacting the suicide hotline at: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCIQ0kMoADAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.suicidepreventionlifeline.org%2F&ei=irtgVfLuEcqayASNhYHgCg&usg=AFQjCNE4Hv6RcsQlZUZgKuDddDBWMWUwvw&sig2=0EH5yuP0YMqLmaEdMf7V6w&bvm=bv.93990622,d.aWw. Dont reconnect..another power game to just see if u will even think about it or respondhe is toxicrun.. the things that are happening to me after this are interesting, I remember when I went no contact it was strange in a similar way, I actually perversly missed the abuse !! In hindsight there were so many odd things about his behavior and how he described his life (practically no interest in anything about my real life), but I also like eccentric, shy people and a bit of a dark side. Then I did no contact again for 90 days. Why torture yourself reading her posts and seeing photos of her with this other guy. I have learned so much by reading about NPD, sociopaths, etc., and I am grateful to know I am not the crazy one, even though I feel badly that other people have had to go through the same things! Lastly, I do guided meditations a LOT. Mine even told me he was a COWARD, said he hadnt been a very good partner to me, shouldnt have said this or done that I have to ask you thisdo you live in WA state by chance? What a reward, huh? I have bit of health issues, PTSD. It is her way of getting back at the people who raised her. Today after 6weeks.txt.i found a job we could meet to straighten things up. To all the women and men who have been victimized by any of the cluster B personality disordered types, my heart truly goes out to you. Everytime he sent a message just to say hey he would include i miss you and it would send me back into the past, missing him and wondering why things couldnt be the way we wanted. throughout our relationship, I have caught him talking to other girls on Craigslist (several girls for about 3 months), he tried to take a picture of my friends underskirt under the table when she came to visit me and our son when he was first born. Narcissists are psychologically damaged people. Its lifting me up. Donald Trump, Roger Stone, and Associates have a better chance of success. John is a novelist, writer, entrepreneur, and consultant, whose best consulting is focused on what he did that others should avoid. She tells me that its usually when she is feeling weak after a cocaine comedown its all very difficult to accept. . Not enjoy myself? This is not a means for them to get back to you at all. Email only contact about Only childs needs issues happenings cut man out of all your social media by filtering through current accounts to start fresh with health boundaries work on Your Ideas for Personal Boundaries with Counselor and read as many blogs as you can do not give up for your child and you You know what you know about him get a UPS address its a physical address and inform a local Domestic Violence Shelter for ideas, support, advocacy too. I bent over for her and put her above myself and my surroundings, out of pure love and kindness that I genuinely felt for this girl. Suing her for $43,000. 2. That brokenness that we originally recognized is still there and it is just not fixable by mankind. Because its not WHO I CHOOSE TO BE. But just when i get myself out of bed after two weaks of perralised in bed.. just when i started to take care of myself, looked good and accept it.. He sat there for a minute in the truck as I slowly strolled back up to my door. It killed him that I thought so lowly of him. I see you are able to understand your Ex cognitivelyalthough the experience has left a stamp on your heart. I decided to allow him to see our son yesterday because it was his bday. If you are like me, we are natural protectors and want the very best for the woman in our lives. I told him that I believed he was a narc and pointed out all of his manipulative behaviors..and told him that unless he faced it and stopped pretending he would never get the love he seems so desperate for. a narcissist. Early in our relationship my ex hubby wanted to get back together and he said while he loved me, he understood that my children needed their dad and if it was something I wanted he would step aside for the sake of my family. I realized that all my love could not counter his dark side, so I left. If you observe that he is getting physically violent with you, contact the police. Not many, just a few. What their relationship style . I have experienced this for seven years and I truly understand. Im sorry this happened to you/us. It was sad but in a different way. Of course she gets Dads estate to survive. A wife was left feeling 'angry and confused' after her husband asked if he can have an affair with another woman. Go inward. I apologize or Im sorry without actions matching for a long time are not true sorries Cling on to your gut which is Get Out!!! Mostly, its the Narcissist sending little texts, showing up at your door with flowers, coming to you because theyve had a life-changing epiphany, where through some kind of divine intervention, theyve been shown the pain and sorrow they put you through and promise to change. I directed a question, specifically to HER, and she couldnt even answer completely before he jumped in with HIS opinion. I layed for houres in my bed thinking what to messages and read about N but he never respond. They whip themselves into a frenzy because they need your supply to maintain their false image. So this is a Choice them make I have not reached out since April 1st btw. And finally, I was stupid enough to let her borrow $3,000 to help her pay off her automobile. Theyll seek out your biggest weakness, insecurity, or theyll touch on something they know will really hurt you, and theyll go all out with it. Why? I cant imagine living an entire life with no escape or if I tried being brought to submission or outcast from family and friends. They get satisfaction from watching us suffer. Hi Kim He is just an empty shell. Now he refuses to move out and keep professing to take his stuff out. How to take control away from a Narcissist? The statement suggests, that the person was switching back and force from idealise and devalue. But Im just taking it one day at a time, but you are right I will survive I do know that. Ultimately, he divorced me saying that he could not be with anyone who saw him as his abuser. Take care" Then I blocked her number . In September of last year and six months after disappearing he sent me an e-mail saying he was happy for me, alluding to being disappointed by Paris, saying that I should come see him if I was hesitating on my return to Australia. At times the situation appears to so bizarre that it does not seem real. Reblogged this on Living Life Creatively and commented: He will never let me talk badly about myself ie if I say something about my part in our break up. How do you get someone who keeps calling your number while you NEVER answer it to leave you alone? Answer (1 of 4): First of all, I recognize that you have feelings: you feel sad about being away from someone you cared about. He does recognize there is a problem with his lack of empathy and admitted to me he fakes that emotion a lot. What about over one or two years. I told him to F off and all hope I ever had for him was done. I fell for it every time due to my ignorance on this subject. You mentioned a narcissist long lists of supply and he has that. Someone so incredibly impossible! Hi lisa. yes, he is fearful of my presence and tells the kidss, I dont want your mother anywhere near me, lol. (Not to mention the danger to ur health as u do not know if he practices safe sex with his partner). We can work it out. Keep reading Kims stuff as she is so knowledgeable with a huge heart for victims! Also, relationship between the BPD and NPD. They will even compare the level of supply they get from different partners. Acting as if the world revolves only around them. If the narcissist was the one to end it, he or she might have cut us off, as if we never existed or mattered. So many unknowns I could reach out and ask, but Id never trust a word from his mouth as genuine. Do narc do stuff like this, get you ready for their return by leaving clues like that? You see, creating an illusion of happiness is a narcissist's favorite form of post-breakup damage control. Make a daily plan to keep busy Most friends dont understand that i came back over and over again. Just left spinning, not knowing what hit us, But if you dig real deep & can manage to think through the brainwashing & brain fog, the one thing they cant and will never be able to take from us is our ability to Love. I only mention this in order to highlight the fact that everything he claimed to love about me and find in common with himself are now the things he hates and denigrates. Thankfully my friends noticed her awkward behavior and helped me put the puzzle together. Yes, male narcs are quite dangerous, too. Our last conversation she was telling me to leave her alone and how much better off she is without me. Then he backed off and said ok hope she do well bye. Whenever her brother-in-law or sister comes into town, he uses his sister to get invitations to dinner (or invites himself) or drives past her nephews house to see if the brother-in-laws truck is in front of the house. So, back in January my best friend and I were inseparable and she was always at my house or is there. WOW! I found him again on dating websites, 3 profiles on POF different ages, different names. Even though, I dont have time right now to go through RodMans comment, here are my thoughts. Its hard to resist, I know, when they start acting the romantic, but its important to remember its just an act. And Its just not coming out the way it did before. The judge granted the RO because I psyclogically abused her after I found out about the affair. As someone reminded me yesterday, "Getting no message, is still a message!" Block and delete his phone number. Other women I have dated that possesed BPD traits were easier to see their faults. He is trying to invade your space physically and mentally, even though he has already moved on. If there is any way you can leave with your child and not see either of these men, you and your child would both be better off. Usually they are very emotional people, but their emotion is so great, that they find it hard to see where you are coming from simply because they are constantly dealing with their own inner turmoil. -Physical aggression which ultimately is the partners fault for antagonizing When we met, he expected me to go (I declined) and expressed my concern that he wanted to go without me. Cry it out, talk to friends and family, write it down, cry some more, talk to a therapist, read all about it, share your story..and day by day, piece by piece put yourself back together. His point is, that the traditional psychoanalytical approaches are very much applicable to all the neurotics (people with emotions, insane or healthy), BUT NOT THE DISTURBED CHARATERS, BECAUSE DEEP DOWN IMPLYES THEIR ACTING ON SUBCONCIOUS, AND THESE CHARACTERS KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING, THUS ACT CONCIOUSLY. Its been 8 long months and Im still not totally over it. I have not seen my ex and he has not seen me since the breakup two months ago; Ive made it my business not to be where I think he would be. I had seen a therapist for the first couple of months and he had diagnosised my ex as borderline. []. Cry, scream, get up, hug ur son, cry some morethere will be months of crying and feeling good then feeling bad again, missing him. The new supply doesnt know the narcissists agenda and will go along with whatever the narcissist asks of them. At that point, thats the one thing the narcissist can never take from you againno matter what he or she decides to do after that. What woman would fall for that coming from a married man with two small children?? 5. A mutual friend of mine and hers had unknowingly stated she was having a fling with a married man with 2 girls who was leaving his wife. I blocked him from my social media profiles about 2 months ago. Dont beat yourself up for breaking it the first time. Especially ones geared toward emotional healing. Reblogged this on BEEN TO HELL & BACK BECAUSE I FOUND THE EXITS and commented: This is Not about YOU & I What was I suppose to do? Now everything is a lot clearer to me. Shouting that has a lot of problems on his head and how dare i claim him so much i was embarassed for my family to hear so i said with a harder voice to go through him.. `Yes my mother is ok she is worried but feels good.!! I received a text from her shortly after her borrowing the money that she had a check in the mail for me! My ex did the same. HiHe is still on your mind that much, you really need to go no Contact, he is playing games but your allowing it. Please read this article. He remembers everything I say and twists and turns it intoto something awful he can verbally abuse me with. However, he is trying hoovering to get me back. Vincent Cassel: 'Every time a man does something wrong now, he's a pervert manipulator narcissist' The French star of 'La Haine' and 'Irrversible' speaks to James Mottram about . He does have borderline traits as well. The emotionally and financially damage is done and cannot be corrected, as one cannot travel back in time. There is much turbulence in my life now because of this. He also has the impulsivity but again dont narcissists? We do that subconsciously in order to correct the unworthy feelings we had as a child, but only, that never happens with a narcissist. I went through them myself, and also hear about these same Narc behaviors from my clients. He started distancing himself from me and going out late with friends, mostly girls.He withheld sex fro me often, to the point that we would have sex once every other month or 2 at most. I looked like I was dying, no sleep. It also made me less valuable to her, I guess. No time or space for other people. Never heard from him again. Pray to Jesus Carole. You do an awesome job Kim. He is dangerous and a terrible human being. It was not until she text me that her money had come in and she would be sending me the money out ASAP, that she went dormant all of a sudden. I dont understand why he really doesnt leave me . Now, I feel that if one is to be a friend, that they might want to extend their friendship to me as well. We cant hate because thats not part of our makeup. There is Always some way to give a sign of living. Then, she blocks me. But maybe he just forgatten me. I cant make you happy. They had bled their partner dry of all the narcissistic supply they had and left when they had nothing left to give. And when that relation is over he would come to me. I kept two years worth of text messages to prove we had a relationship to combat his lies or if he wants to sue me. He thought he could talk his way out of my opinion of him (liked he used to talk his way out of everything)..but once he saw the spell was broken, he went away. It is tough. I am slowly coming back to me..so if there is a guy with initials jfp from monroe county ..give him a very wide berth.. I was very tough with him in order to make him understand that he shouldnt be messing with my head or heart. He text back I need that equipment. I am trying to find a job and use the bus with my child for transportationBut he called me saying that he does not understand why I need distance and felt like I used him (i felt also used as his promises for me finding a reliable job and be free fell through)he said that I should make it easy on myself and live with him or stay with my child in his guest house (! I was obsessing about him even though my life was going well. Still dont know how to explain that to him. Thank you also for your follow. Liberating to a degree. Deep down, theyre terribly insecure and the bravado they exhibit is nothing but a mask to cover up how they really feel. Sad really. This woman you dated is pure slime. I broke no contact. Told him finally that I want to move on and hearing from him was preventing that and causing me pain. Thank you all for the advise and help. He feels comfortable confiding in me and its like getting into the head of a Narc. For me its only a week. The sooner you see that everythjng is about them, their is a pattern you get caught up in with them. This relationship pattern I described above is known as the idealize-devalue-discard-hoover cycle. Since you mentioned that they usually come back eventually after using the silent treatment, do you think she will come back around? And while he may be deeply flawed, I believe he loves me, or tried to love me as best as he could. Zero self-reflection nor desire to better herself. Part 1 and Part 2 are equally important to read. Mine did the same to me. Please don't contact me again. Good job! All I can say is thank you. Where you can .. on. I only wish I had this site to counsel me at the time! If your narcissist ex discarded you and just disappeared one day, it was because your behavior was so intolerable, they had to get out. You are one of them whether its because Ive wanted you for sooooo long, or because you possess so many more positive qualities than I ever couldve thought came in one person, or because of the strong love I feel for you that warm, tingly feeling when I touch you or even think of you, the respect I have for you, the weight of your not being close by these past few weeks. I will have to be strong and say no otherwise will go back in the vicious circle. I lived with him for two years and then moved out because of the problems. Even if she wanted to talk to me, I doubt she would since she owes me so much money. Hes totally using her for her fame because shes good at what he wants to be good at. It was one date and done, but I occasionally every blue moon thought of her and how she was doing these days. There are things in you that have become a part of me in some way things that fill a void that had been around for a while regardless of who I was or wasnt dating, things that make me incredibly happy and incredibly confused, things that make me alive. I still feel so in love with my Narc ex and I dont know how to get rid of that feeling!! NC is easy now and he isnt harassing me or anything. This guy dont know him Sees only the glamour side of him and feels flatterd. This is a tricky one and maybe Kim could help you. After a nice, balanced visit to his city for a few days, I returned home to relate to a very different person. I wanted to be sure, he gets what I have to say. I was convinced that walking away would somehow make her the winner (we were like rivals at one point). So, O sent him a mail as well as a letter. the person he would be if he didnt have mental issues (which is loving, and giving, sweet, romantic..)..and this ugly monster that he tries so hard to cover up and keep at bay. I listen I watch but I just see his weakness and, regardless of this, his attempt to appear respectable. As I left, here she comes in her truck with her 5 dogs and her mother? I have since found out that all the abuse that she told me she had suffered at the hands of every man she had been in a relationship with was a complete lie to rope me in. Ps..Even when I told him not to contact me again, my heart was breaking because even tho it was the right thing to do, it was hard to sever the connection for good. Its unsettling as well as infuriating. I cannot explain it. Brooke, he does that to keep you reliant on him. Thank you you are inspiring and reassuring, Great article, Kristen. sure. So i was writing everything down only to read back a whole lot of beginnings with the beginnings of another event as the ending! It also dawned to me how extremely immature she seemed for a 37 year old woman. Well, the first thing youll want to do is make sure you file for custody. Watch out. After he made me look crazy in October 2016, I now have PTSD. The one who really understands him. It was like his self had fractured (hindsights 20/20)! Cara- it sounds like you may be codependent like I am. If I feel like answering I do. The male I spent 7-1/2 years with is obsessed with his ex-girlfriend and her brother-in-law and has been for nearly 25 years. Many of us found ourselves caught in it for years. What she did do was lie, manipulate, triangulate relationships, curt me off a handful of times, etc. But the worst thing is yet to come. This methodology behavioral, is used in many scientific fields, mine for ex. Read Dr. George K. Simon! 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